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Melrak Recruiter - BlackFox - 04-06-2005 09:11 PM
To make this guy a little more useful, what if his ability also set the dark color bit as well as adding the follower type?
RE: Melrak Recruiter - LtSterling - 04-06-2005 09:14 PM
Make it so cards are weak against those cheap anti-dark cards huh? Smite, Weak Point, and Smite Mancer would certainly see more action.
RE: Melrak Recruiter - Zaen - 04-06-2005 09:16 PM
Is there any bonuses for dark cards? Or are you thinking of using it offensively?
RE: RE: Melrak Recruiter - BlackFox - 04-06-2005 09:24 PM
Zaen Wrote:Is there any bonuses for dark cards? Or are you thinking of using it offensively?
Offensivly. Ironic that it would make Melrak Recruiters part of paladin forces.
RE: Melrak Recruiter - Charon - 04-07-2005 12:48 AM
I was thinking that he could remove creature type \"paladin\" or \"cleric\" on use in addition to adding \"follower\".
RE: Melrak Recruiter - masamunemaniac - 04-07-2005 01:37 PM
Because there\'s no such thing as an evil cleric or antipaladin?
RE: Melrak Recruiter - LtSterling - 04-07-2005 02:47 PM
antipaladin = Twisted Paladin
RE: Melrak Recruiter - Xypherous-Oxide - 04-07-2005 03:22 PM
Funny, I always thought the Twisted Paladin was still a paladin of sorts. Kind of like Venom Spiderman. You know? Still Spiderman, but eeeevil in the shiny goodness.
What\'s his flavor text...
Armor and Carapace...
Honor and Terror...
Nobility and Infection...
Sword and Claw...
Note that nowhere does it state he\'s not paladiny. More like... A horrible looking, infected, Claw Terror transformed thing that still upholds the Paladin principles.
Kind of like Nightmare / Siegfried in SoulCalibur.
Still, I could definitely imagine evil clerics in CmC. A Priest devoted in the service of Melrak could be an evil Cleric. Cult Leader sort of deal. Norlaan fits the title well, even though his type is follower.
Still, the removal seems like a way to kill racial bonuses. Offensive recruiting.. Somehow, I\'d imagine like.. a Day of the Dragon type card would be better for followers in general than upping Recruiter.
Something like..
4D
Conspiracy
Cast Spell
All creatures gain the type \'follower\'? (and black?)
Back on topic though...
I don\'t really see how that would be a buff in line with the intended concept. And the irony does make it kind of weird. If being a follower was stronger, I could see how making the card black could in fact be a nerf, but at the moment, outside of making the deck based around offensive recruitment, it just seems a little pointless. Heh.
RE: Melrak Recruiter - LtSterling - 04-07-2005 04:32 PM
A twisted Paladin isn\'t exactly GOOD either which he was hinting at with it being a dark based paladin for antipaladin.
RE: Melrak Recruiter - Xypherous-Oxide - 04-07-2005 06:44 PM
Well, he\'s still got honour and nobility. Honor isn\'t neccessarily something evil can do all the time. The classic antipaladin in the fantasy realms is just an fighting avatar of a dark lord.
Of course, there\'s classic counterexamples, like the noble villian template that is so loved by people. The classic moral, honorable, noble evil villian bent on world domination. Though, none of these come to mind when the phrase antipaladin strikes. (nor does it come to mind when twisted paladin strikes)
I\'m working off a 3rd edition definition of antipaladin though, which is more or less like what it sounds like. Anti-paladins, or blackguards in 3rd edition, are less than honorable and considerably less than noble. ;D
Say I\'m wrong, but I have this rather romanticized image of the classic \"There\'s a monster inside me and I have to control it by exiling myself\" feel that I feel the twisted paladin is. It\'s like a paladin, struggling to retain what was paladin about him, and trying to be good and decent, but knowing that within there\'s a horror that\'s trying to take control, so he walks the far off lands in the hopes that one day, when he can\'t control the evil any longer, at least he\'ll be far enough not to cause any harm.
Mmm.. That inspires like, unique Twisted Paladin ideas...
Celerity
7D 7L
7D 7L
Call Unique Paladin Horror
Start/End Turn: Dizzies / Heals.
1L: (Defend Phase Only) Undizzy Celerity. +0/+10
1D: (Attack Phase Only) Undizzy Celerity. +10/+0
\"Though I struggle for redemption, redemption never comes.\"
70/70
RE: RE: Melrak Recruiter - LtSterling - 04-07-2005 07:13 PM
Xypherous-Oxide Wrote:Say I\'m wrong, but I have this rather romanticized image of the classic \"There\'s a monster inside me and I have to control it by exiling myself\" feel that I feel the twisted paladin is. It\'s like a paladin, struggling to retain what was paladin about him, and trying to be good and decent, but knowing that within there\'s a horror that\'s trying to take control, so he walks the far off lands in the hopes that one day, when he can\'t control the evil any longer, at least he\'ll be far enough not to cause any harm.
The monster would be Honour Burrower, DUH. It turns paladins into Twisted Paladins who follow Melrak. The burrowers are desinged to control people\'s minds.
RE: Melrak Recruiter - Xypherous-Oxide - 04-07-2005 07:48 PM
The one flaw in your logic of course, is that the twisted paladin is a paladin horror not a paladin follower.
Of course, I could understand Mind Burrower taking someone\'s mind, but I don\'t believe all burrowers take control of someone as directly as the mind burrower. The honour burrower is just a burrower that finds a comfortable resting place inside honour filled bodies. Doesn\'t mean the paladin is a complete anti-thesis of the old paladin in acts, words or deeds.
I come to the conclusion that the mind burrower is the mental subversion one, while the honour burrower is this horrible physical thing that taints your body but leaves your mind free to suffer. Hence the Honor and Terror ideals.
Were it a more subtle effect, like say, Meilar -> Dark Meilar... Heh.
Now if the honour burrower were a follower... Mmm.. I could see the millions of melrak / burrower conspiracy coalition! Raawr! Oh dude! Melrak could be this like, Giant burrower GOD thing.
Yeah, That\'d be awesome. And like, the cult of melrak is nothing more than a front for an ancient evil burrower god.
Oh man. This gets better and better. Like...
5 D
Conspiracy of Worms.
Cast Spell.
Target Follower you control is destroyed and replaced with a Mind Burrower.
\"Confused? Of course, he was ours all along.\"
RE: Melrak Recruiter - LtSterling - 04-07-2005 07:54 PM
Horrors are under the control of Followers, thats why Melrak Chantress can undizzy them. They are summoned monsters for the Followers, under the control of them. Melrak recruiter was proposed to change cards dark, And Twisted Paladins are the result of a white paladin card being turned dark by a dark card, the honour burrower. Your logic devaints from the orginal post idea of color changing on a type. And go make a fantasy card subject for thoose instead of posting them here.