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05-03-2005, 07:18 AM (This post was last modified: 05-03-2005 07:32 AM by bane2571.)
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RE: cane thoughts
To answer your questions about my points Xypherous-Oxide
I consider a \"regular deck\" to be around 40-60 cards, contain aproximately 1/3 mana of one colour, enough splash to use the spare mana and a good mix of costs as far as spells/monsters goes (a bunch of 2-6 cost, small amounts of 7+ cost)

Given the above, 2 cards != 10 mana but more likely to be closer to 7 mana with a decent likely hood of one of them being splash. Given that many decks will be unlikely to have 5 effects out, even a fourth turn cane will speed up the rate you get mana generators and therefore the rate you can play cards.

About the cons
ubejasons point about the 70 damage lock is a good one, except that it is 70 damage plus 2 card draw, considering the other reusable to do damage (swords (5-120), cannon (20-100),shadehawk(60),warlock(60),lifeeater(160, lose life), considering the off coulour nature of cane, in a monocoulour deck it is actually easier (2 or 3 turns with a couple of generators) to play higher damaging effects then cane (4 turns with any number of generators) and the monsters are even easier, although they have drawbacks.Admitedly you could speed a cane out with 3 saccables, but the likelihood of getting that 4 card combo in 2 or less turns is low.

Zaen\'s arguement says that cane is strong because it destroys black rush
and similar monster heavy decks however, consider this, drop 1 monster, cane kills it, wait a few turns and drop 5 monsters, what does cane do then? The key is strategy, and frankly people who use the overly common beatdown style decks need to learn a strategy other than \"play my monster, attack my opponent\"


conclusion:
compared to similar damage dealing cards, cane has a similar price but more consistant and lower damage with a downside that is usable. Sure it is painful to some decks, but those decks can bypass it with little effort and will almost always benefit from it.

adendum:
bring back the 60 card decks, dont fear the cane

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cane thoughts - kaddar - 01-01-2005, 04:37 PM
RE: cane thoughts - moonfish - 01-01-2005, 04:57 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Tamdrik - 01-01-2005, 05:20 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Gary Oak - 01-01-2005, 05:25 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 04-29-2005, 12:26 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Leander - 04-29-2005, 07:07 AM
RE: cane thoughts - 'Joyd - 04-29-2005, 12:09 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Zaen - 04-29-2005, 12:20 PM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 04-30-2005, 09:03 AM
RE: cane thoughts - moonfish - 04-30-2005, 12:40 PM
RE: cane thoughts - UberJason - 04-30-2005, 09:19 PM
RE: cane thoughts - 'Joyd - 04-30-2005, 10:47 PM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-01-2005, 08:40 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Zaen - 05-02-2005, 12:04 AM
RE: cane thoughts - moonfish - 05-02-2005, 04:05 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Zaen - 05-02-2005, 05:35 PM
RE: cane thoughts - LtSterling - 05-02-2005, 10:23 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-02-2005, 11:13 PM
RE: cane thoughts - 'Joyd - 05-03-2005, 02:17 AM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-03-2005 07:18 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Xagar - 05-03-2005, 08:37 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Leander - 05-03-2005, 08:53 AM
RE: cane thoughts - 'Joyd - 05-03-2005, 09:16 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-03-2005, 03:49 PM
RE: cane thoughts - moonfish - 05-03-2005, 04:17 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Xagar - 05-03-2005, 06:44 PM
RE: cane thoughts - LtSterling - 05-03-2005, 07:14 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-03-2005, 07:38 PM
RE: cane thoughts - LtSterling - 05-03-2005, 07:45 PM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-03-2005, 10:14 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-03-2005, 11:27 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Zaen - 05-04-2005, 12:42 AM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-04-2005, 09:09 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-04-2005, 02:16 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Frater Alban - 05-04-2005, 02:26 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-04-2005, 02:34 PM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-05-2005, 02:25 AM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-05-2005, 09:22 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-05-2005, 03:18 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Ryuujin II - 05-05-2005, 03:54 PM
RE: cane thoughts - sqweek - 05-05-2005, 04:35 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-05-2005, 06:38 PM
RE: cane thoughts - LtSterling - 05-05-2005, 08:48 PM
RE: cane thoughts - moonfish - 05-06-2005, 10:54 AM
RE: cane thoughts - 'Joyd - 05-06-2005, 01:50 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Amped08 - 05-07-2005, 03:01 AM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-07-2005, 09:27 AM
RE: cane thoughts - 'Joyd - 05-07-2005, 10:27 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-07-2005, 05:34 PM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-08-2005, 12:30 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-08-2005, 05:37 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Dav1000 - 05-08-2005, 12:21 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Frater Alban - 05-08-2005, 02:45 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Tamdrik - 05-08-2005, 03:36 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Amped08 - 05-08-2005, 08:51 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Frater Alban - 05-09-2005, 02:54 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-09-2005, 03:23 AM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-09-2005, 08:02 AM
RE: cane thoughts - moonfish - 05-09-2005, 11:46 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-09-2005, 04:23 PM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-09-2005, 08:02 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Tamdrik - 05-09-2005, 09:44 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-09-2005, 11:48 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Amped08 - 05-10-2005, 01:30 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Zaen - 05-10-2005, 02:48 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-10-2005, 03:23 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Tamdrik - 05-10-2005, 07:55 AM
RE: RE: cane thoughts - Tamdrik - 05-10-2005, 08:53 AM
RE: cane thoughts - moonfish - 05-10-2005, 09:15 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Dav1000 - 05-10-2005, 02:51 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-10-2005, 03:01 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Dav1000 - 05-10-2005, 03:09 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Xypherous-Oxide - 05-10-2005, 03:17 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Dav1000 - 05-10-2005, 03:21 PM
RE: RE: cane thoughts - Tamdrik - 05-10-2005, 08:52 PM
RE: cane thoughts - Zaen - 05-10-2005, 10:45 PM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-11-2005, 02:16 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Amped08 - 05-11-2005, 02:39 AM
RE: cane thoughts - bane2571 - 05-15-2005, 06:00 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Amped08 - 05-17-2005, 04:09 AM
RE: cane thoughts - Frosty the Pyro - 05-19-2005, 11:57 PM

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