[Nerf] Secret Asteroid Base [Finished]

In that case...

Vote:
(Face Down)
Draw Phase: Counter + 1
Ships cost you 333 less per counter
When you play a ship: Flip, Counter = 0
[starts with 0 counters]

Re: Ultros

Their suggestion doesn't use dizzying at all, so I'm not sure how (offhand) you could just add dizzy-locking onto it. But if it's worked out how, probably yeah.

While untested, I'm still thinking that it'll have the problem of revealing itself early by reducing the cost of ships already in play...

EDIT: For the same reasons as we have a 24 hour lockout at the start of the second thread, let's have the same here. Discussion plz.

(Face Down)
Draw Phase: Counter + 1
The next ship you play costs you 3Dmana3Lmana3Gmana less per counter
When you play a ship: Counter = 0
[starts with 0 counters]

What Nacho said, except tack on "Secret Asteroid Base doesn't undizzy next turn".

I'll make some feasible proposals tomorrow. Some ideas that are being thrown out may be a bitch or impossible to code

How about we just change it from "the next ship is free" to "the next ship costs 5/5/5 less".

Yeah, OK. I could go for that.

I've no problem with that, but I imagine a few people will.

Makes sense actually. You don't get the problem of waiting 4 turns to get a free Zeus, so you still pay something for the bigger ships, plus, in two turns under the vetoed suggestion, it would be -6/-6/-6, so it still works out (if not better as far as making it weaker in bringing out the big ships).

Vote: Doesn't undizzy
next turn: Next monster
played costs 5/5/5 less if it's a
ship

Re: Free 125/25 monsters != underpowered. With this, the card generates between 2/2 and 2.5/2.5 a turn easy, which, for a non-unique effect with face down and a sac of one more than it costs, is plenty good, if not still a tad overpowered.

Vote: Doesn't undizzy
next turn: Next monster
played costs 5/5/5 less if it's a
ship

Re: Iggy.

We still need another vote here.

Vote: Doesn't undizzy
next turn: Next monster
played costs 5/5/5 less if it's a
ship

This sounds just about right, it will still be a massive help to ship decks, but no more spamming of massive fleets, etc.

You need better reasoning than that Enatai. "Re: Someone" usually works.

Fine.
Vote: Doesn't undizzy
next turn: Next monster
played costs 5/5/5 less if it's a
ship

Reasoning: This sounds just about right, it will still be a massive help to ship decks, but no more spamming of massive fleets, etc.
ALSO, RE: Bubbleman, who RE'd Iggy.

Tally

Change reduction from 100% to 555: Nacho, bubbleman, Enatai (3)

waaaait just a second here
what the hell is this 5/5/5 crap?
what happened to ultros' idea?

It got veto'd:

masa Wrote:This change has been vetoed by webrunner: Prefers it to keep dizzy-lock so as not to be useable every turn. An incrementing counter system is fine though.

5/5/5 is still sufficiently overpowered, with free Eliminators/Eradicators/Salvagers, and almost free Hermes.

ultros' idea couldn't have been vetoed
it wasn't the suggestion that won in the first place

unless web vetoed both for some reason?

and ultros' idea was an incrementing counter system

edit: it's also more of a nerf then 5/5/5