[Finished] Nate/George

It'd take a pretty large cost hike to balance the card out as is. While the card-related "costs" are fairly hefty, they are costs that can very readily be paid at any time unlike a discard or mana cost.
I'd almost say the best way to balance the card via cost would be +4 cost minimum with the possibility of removing the milling cost per activation. The most prominent deterrent of the activation cost really is preventing 10-15 card decks from abusing the anti-decking aspect anyway.

Cursed Warhammer is , hits ENTITIES at a cost of 20 life per use for 9 and sapping your mana at the end of turn. And when you don't want to pay the drawbacks anymore, you sac it for 10


Explain to me why we can't increase Nate/George to 9 and decrease the speed to ? I think you're exaggerating.

Cursed Warhammer's life drawback adds up over time and thanks to the mana-zeroing drawback, makes it difficult to use work-arounds to compensate (though that might change if there was ever a dark card created that destroyed one of your monsters and gave you half its life in health). Most opponents are also very capable of taking away the resource (health) that Cursed Warhammer runs on; as well as that resource is set and finite whereas a card eating card can have a pool of hundreds of cards to feed off of.
Though I'll say Cursed Warhammer's sac value really should be half of what it is; in particular due to Reclamation no longer being a concern.

Nate/George's drawback can easily be compensated. If Nate/George's drawback was that you can't draw cards period, then I'd say the milling drawback would be much more detrimental as being completely unable to draw means whether you mill junk or not you're losing cards that can't be gotten.
Again, the problem is N/G's drawbacks can be too easily compensated for. If it had different drawbacks, it'd be a different story. It doesn't help that the no card draw aspect can be turned into an advantage.

Of course, this is all moot as again, my main problem is that N/G can literally win you matches by itself. Cursed Warhammer, The Tarafang, Khrimalith, etc. may all be very powerful cards but you still have to play something else if you want to actually win the match (barring of course your opponent's deck is smaller than yours).

Yeah, 9 at sounds fine.

The "Nate/George wins matches by itself argument" is absolute bullshit, imo. It's not going to win you a match if you have no cards in your hand and if you're constantly milling yourself to nuke monsters. Or if you have no monsters in play and your opponent zergs five monsters out at once.

Again, I really think you're exaggerating. Cursed Warhammer's benefits for (questionably) harsher drawbacks is the extra sac, the fast speed and ability to hit entities. Nate/George only hits monsters and does so at a slower speed, and will be even slower if we drop the speed to , which I'm totally fine with.

After a brief discussion on IRC, we've decided on moving Nate/George to 8 and .

I like that decision. 9 and seems like a ridiculously huge nerf to be honest, given that last time we tried to nerf it I think it only got a one speed rank decrease or something. As always, we can nerf it again later if it's still too good.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I said. I thought 9 was too much, so we're stepping it to 8.