Breathing Life Into The Cards

Resurrection: I would like it if it cantriped. It would only be more usful then ToK if your deck relys very heavily on one particular monster. Otherwise, in a genaric beatstick deck, any monster will do and in a non-genaric beatstick deck, spells, effects, mods and locations are often more usful then monsters. As masa said, if this makes ToK seem underpowered then it's cost san be upped to 4 in a few months.

One thing I want to know for Res: are we assuming Life is not a valid substitute for the card?
If it is not, I can see a cost reduction instead of cantrip even if no one continues to use it. If it is a valid substitute, I think the point has well been made already that at zero cost Res is still less useful than Life and will need something more than cost reduction.

Lucky Save is almost the same deal. The only thing it had over Res, which could return your monster to you at any time rather than only if you had it in hand like it is for Lucky Save, was the lower cost. It's pretty much better to let your monster die while doing damage or to sac it and then Res it and play it again than to Lucky Save it. At least you're getting a final use out of it rather than pulling it back before it can do even that.
On the other side of the coin, there's Puppet Avatar, WYBM, dark war Spybot, Marcus (to a degree), The Creator (Effect version) and Roujinsei na Ninja. CMC seems to be gradually heading in the direction where being able to pull away monsters you control because you can't sacrifice them or can't keep them is actually a bonus. Do we keep Lucky Save/Warp Gate as they are based on that?

For The Mitiring, I would really like to know WHAT the flavor is suppose to be. What is the intension for how it works? Is it a wishing ring and it breaks upon wishing someone back to life? Is the idea that a monster with this on it will be revived and thus it'd be better as a mod card but mods didn't exist back when the card was first made?
I won't say being able to revive multiple monsters is necessarily the way to go with The Mitiring, but we can't really justify something else until we know how it actually is suppose to work.

I'm think that The Mitiring was what Valian used to return to life. And as far as I know, storyline-wise, he only came back the one time and wouldn't be expected to be immortal. I could be wrong on either or both counts though, but I think flavour-wise, The Mitiring is a oneshot item.

That was my thinking as well, with the same chance of being wrong.

Castile Wrote:I'm think that The Mitiring was what Valian used to return to life. And as far as I know, storyline-wise, he only came back the one time and wouldn't be expected to be immortal. I could be wrong on either or both counts though, but I think flavour-wise, The Mitiring is a oneshot item.

Though game wise, he could come back 1000 times (as long as you had the 2) and is immortal. That being said though, I'd like simple cost reductions for all 3 revival to hand cards. Resurection/Rebuild drop to 1 /, and Mitiring costing zero to play, use its ability, and sac, so it's still one less then Resurection after used. With the abundance of multicolor cards and decks, Life isn't as good as Resurrection in some cases anymore, since it would cost large amounts of light mana to bring back a fairly cheep multi-color monster. At  1 mana, D/G decks could throw it in to bring back Rust Dragon for 515 instead of 8, and 5 speeds faster.  Also i wouldn't mind a speed bost for Mitiring to match Resurrection.

edit: And since when did you care about flavor Andriex?

Nacho Wrote:edit: And since when did you care about flavor Andriex?

Since the moment I started playing this game.
Believe it or not, this is the only reply I could make that wasn't an insult. You should see some of the others...

Blue's probably right, we would need to know if the ring broke/ stopped working after being used once to know if multiple uses would be flavorful, not just if Valian only used it once. If it can be used multiple times, 4 a use with the same 1 cost and speed wouldn't be bad.

edit: if it's not unflavorful, I'd like multiple uses, so it's no longer just an effect version of resurrection. as it is, there's almost no reason to use it over resurrection.

I would prefer the Mitiring's play/ability cost stay the same and give it the ability to be used twice, just to keep it from being too similar to Lumi's ability. It would probably need to use counters or something if that change were implemented though. But I'm not sure if that would be very flavorful or if it would combo to well with Gem Necklace.

Wouldn't be the first time we had an Effect with the same ability as a monster:

Can we please get someone affiliated with the CMC Story to make a statement on this?

I know but I like to stay away from having two cards with the same effect whenever possible.

Moreover, I think 1 would be too cheap to play it considering the cost of Lumi.

Blue_Elite Wrote:Can we please get someone affiliated with the CMC Story to make a statement on this?

I GUESS THAT WOULD BE ME!?!

"Valian Iridith is rather rash and a lot like how Valhallar is depicted as being during his campaign in the northlands, but after his death and resurrection by the use of the Mitiring he becomes more responsible.  Valian currently wears the ring.  Marcos retires as the leaders of the paladins and entrusts the leadership to Valian. Valian earns the nickname "Valian the Reborn" (referring both to being brought back to life as well as his new attitude)."

Unfortunately, it is never mentioned again and that part there is just Valian's backstory, not part of the current story which starts around the time of his return from the northern lands.  And wearing the ring is what gives his card the built-in second life. Also, it can't be used to revive anyone else though, only for the person it is first placed on, supposedly.

Sasha Wrote:Moreover, I think 1 would be too cheap to play it considering the cost of Lumi.

It would cost 3 (1 to play, 1 to use once, and 1 to use the second time) and get back 2 cards, like ToK. actually wasn't returning 2 monitors one of the suggested boosts for resurrection? And I guess this means there is absolutely nothing flavorful or unflavorful about multiple uses, right?

[23:43] webrunner: once used it can't be transferred

So reusability is a no - it only works on one creature.

"When a monster you control
is destroyed, destroy The
Mitiring and put that monster
back into play"

This is a far departure from the original function so it's definately not going to happen but I thought it a good idea regardless.
It sounds like The Mitiring would be better as a mod.

Unless there are any bright ideas that can keep the original concept, looks like it's going to be a simple cost decrease for The Mitiring.

The Mitiring is used on things that are already dead, though, which is why those won't work, unfortunately.

Nacho Wrote:Blue's probably right, we would need to know if the ring broke/ stopped working after being used once to know if multiple uses would be flavorful, not just if Valian only used it once. If it can be used multiple times, 4 a use with the same 1 cost and speed wouldn't be bad.

edit: if it's not unflavorful, I'd like multiple uses, so it's no longer just an effect version of resurrection. as it is, there's almost no reason to use it over resurrection.

Err, I was referring to this... I just know that some people get mad when I quote stuff, saying it makes reading difficult and such, so I try not to.

I don't know if this is codeable, but what if it gave the returned monster Boss or Second Life or something (with correspondingly higher cost)?

Hello suggested that in IRC, and we determined that it'd be nigh impossible to add an ability to a card that wasn't in play.

Well, actually, I was just thinking of making it like Life!, to where it brought it to your hand, and if you had the playing cost, the creature would play and the Mitiring would become a mod; once the creature is destroyed, it is brought back without it, if you have the cost. Thus the two uses of a single creature with a single card. But then I thought it too radical, but since you posted something along those lines, guess might as well voice my idea.