Reka sucks.

Hmm...from reading all this, I get the impression that most people (except for Squirm) think that Reka isn't bad.  Sure, maybe her ability is pretty weak, but not completely terrible.  And you know what?  That's okay.  You can have cards that aren't amazing at everything.  We don't need to make every single freaking "decent" card into, "Wow, this is so good."  Is Reka to the point of unplayable anyway?  Hardly.  I mean maybe, and I know this is crazy, that we can have a card that is suffers "decent" syndrome in exchange for some choices.

Personally, I use her in an angel/exo-suit beatdown deck and she's amazing there.

I put her in my chrome dragon deck and she works great. Honestly I use her as much as a beatstick as a healer.

edit: I just asked web about what Reka's purpose is.

[19:01] she's supposed to be REKA
[19:01] who repairs robots

So I vote we capitalize her name.

This thread is everything I hate about the balance forum. We have people with a personal vendetta against a card being petty children and bickering and thinking that people are making personal attacks.

If you don't want to play the card, then DONT PLAY THE CARD. If you want to play a fun Reka-Robot deck, then do it. If we can consent to a full-heal balance, GREAT. But there's no way in hell she should be both a perfect healer AND have the stats of monsters of the same level, and there IS a flavor issue to talk about here. Reka doesn't repair Hero in RPG World. It just DOES NOT HAPPEN. So repeating the "I don't like her and I think paladin lifegiver is better" was important ONE TIME. ONCE. We get it now, and we're NOT ATTACKING ANYONE PERSONALLY.

This isn't even a debate anymore. This is a pissing contest between 10 year olds. If you have a logical argument, present it. But if I see any more threads like this, I'm going to start going back to suggesting a balance council of people who at least try to be objective and remove themselves from the equation, because things like this go nowhere.

Further arguing is obviously pointless; we're never going to get a consensus because everyone wants to be so damn hard-headed.

i don't remember exactly what i voted for but i'd like to pull my vote out for now...

I don't like : set life to default, and for one reason:

We've already got a monster that does this that fits with the robot theme, and, quite frankly, giving this ability to Reka would take a load out of its usefulness.

Instead, I like giving Reka a scope broadening, (include devices, or weapons, maybe?), and/or maybe some other minor boost (gives healed monster +10/+0 until end of turn, because she gave Podderhead a sword)?

I also liked having her ability costed but not dizzy. It's a repeatable use, and I like to think that it means that Reka won't replace Surgeon in robot decks that use Surgeon entirely, but also means that there will be decks that wouldn't use surgeon but would use Reka.

So, to summarize:

Against life-set
Pro scope-broadening (to device, weapon, anything else in flavor, really)
AND/OR
Pro temp-boost in addition to healing
OR
Pro non-dizzy cost healing.

fixing weapons scares me...
i don't even want to imagine it...

ThePanda Wrote:If you don't want to play the card, then DONT PLAY THE CARD. If you want to play a fun Reka-Robot deck, then do it. If we can consent to a full-heal balance, GREAT. But there's no way in hell she should be both a perfect healer AND have the stats of monsters of the same level, and there IS a flavor issue to talk about here. Reka doesn't repair Hero in RPG World. It just DOES NOT HAPPEN. So repeating the "I don't like her and I think paladin lifegiver is better" was important ONE TIME. ONCE. We get it now, and we're NOT ATTACKING ANYONE PERSONALLY.

That's exactly my fucking point. She's Reka, she repairs robots. So in a robot deck, she should be chosen over Paladin Lifegiver for healing robots. So, we boost her ability. To still be flavorful. Not once did anyone fucking recommend letting her heal her self, I was just stating that self-healing is worth a lot more than +10/+5. Again,

Nacho Wrote:[19:01] she's supposed to be REKA
[19:01] who repairs robots

We're not suggesting anything unflavorful, it's not that I don't like the card, it's that one works more efficiently than the other. It used to be the healer of choice for those Giant Snowman decks. Now for those decks, and any other kind of robot deck, Paladin Lifegiver is the better healer, because if he takes a hit he can heal himself if he survives. And chances are if something's going to kill your Lifegiver before he can heal himself, it's going to kill Reka just as fast. I could only really see Reka being better than Paladin Lifegiver if you're running Exo-Suits. Though I don't know why I'd want to spend that much mana on something like that when I can spend it on cards better at beating my opponent in the face.(Like CynicalPsycho, everyone in the forum is convinced that their opinion is the best course of action, despite the fact I can bet that half of these people don't really have any actual experience with the card, other than playing two or three games with it and assuming it's fine).

also Ultros and I talked in pm. It's fine now, I get irritated easily and then my mood gets better easy. Whatever, it's over. drop it pls

also also seconding the balancing committee.

Random observation, but why isn't Reka a scientist? It just seems like if she can make and repair robots, she would be a scientist (and a very good one at that, considering the AIs she managed to make). And scientist pirate hero sounds cool.

Reka is mechanic, not a scientist. Also she's a terrible programmer and her father is the brilliant one in that regard.

With mechanic and scientist in the same sentence I read that as masochist.

ThePanda Wrote:This isn't even a debate anymore. This is a pissing contest between 10 year olds. If you have a logical argument, present it. But if I see any more threads like this, I'm going to start going back to suggesting a balance council of people who at least try to be objective and remove themselves from the equation, because things like this go nowhere.

And you will continue to support a hypocritical agenda that will do nothing more than remove the entire purpose of a balance forum. You will support a system which favors elitism and the brain dead concept that the fewer people involved, somehow the better. You will support a system where you personally will be removed from the decision making process as two inept to be allowed to contribute. You will support a system, where it retroactively initiated, would negate almost every single beneficial balance in the years that it has existed.

It will remove the majority of the good opinions of smart, well-spoken people in this forum in favor of removing the rare instances of inflamed temperament that your own post contains, as you personally insult the targets of your disgust. Every single person in this thread that has given rise to your opinion has paid for that over a hundred times with intelligent, well thought out debate and balance points that no one else has given voice to. If you really for a heartbeat think such a soulless institution is beneficial, go through the balance forums and look through every post anyone that has been involved in a heated, reactionary argument has made. Then go through the game and remove every single nerf or boost they have been influential in doling out. If you really think that one instance of inflamed reactions means people, as a whole or those in question, are incapable of making well reasoned, objective arguments then said search should also remove any such illusions. Hell, I'm here more than any being with a heart beat should be; every single person in this thread that may have made an... ill-advised comment, from Nacho to Noodle to Ultros and beyond, has made brilliant, insightful comments in the past that have done nothing less than help transform CMC into a better place to play. They are without a doubt intelligent, insightful people who have given so much to this game that the idea that their voices could be stifled disheartens me tragically. If you're for such an idea, all you're really for is less aggravation and hurting this game as a whole.

The only way people get better at balancing, like arguing, is by doing so. Removing the balance forum or chastising people for not being perfect would only make the problem worse, not to mention the fact that it would be entirely hypocritical as I can't mention one person in this thread that hasn't made a stupid, heated, or reactionary post without thinking it through. If you want to remove such "pissing contests" petition for stricter moderation of arguments as to curtail such events during their inception, not the removal of balancing rights from every single person here save some imaginary "select" that are so above such petty concerns. While I do not mean to be egotistical in any way, shape or form (for a change), I have had an effect on this game through balance and if making an argument that is directly or indirectly a personal argument with someone, then I should be sanctioned ever so harshly, the same way you should be for the post that inspired this, as it was as much a flame as it was an argument. Hell, I can't list the amount of arguments I've had with Tamdrik alone on one hand, and he's one of the best balancers this forum has. Either you or I being removed from debates, just like the remove of anyone from masa to lunar would only serve to hurt the institution you wholeheartedly are striving to improve. Incidents happen, you forgive, comment in some form that they should relent (or refocus their points), and carry on the discussion. Anything beyond that, putting aside the ridiculous notion of a "balance gestapo" aside, does nothing to improve the situation. It will run it's course, life will continue, and if people actually care about a balance the world it will continue without needing to sever anyone's vocal chords. All people here are equal. While their opinions, arguments, or comments aren't, the people behind them are all just as useful to the balancing process. Even though I disagree with you here as much as I could disagree with anyone, you're still a boon to the balancing forum in general and should have an equal vote, just as anyone else that makes a disagreeable argument does.

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Now, that taken card of...
the Laser Surgeon is a good point, but I really don't see why Reka would take anything out of it. Robot synergy gives no reason I can see for why a 12/40 robot healer would be better than any other healer to begin with. Since I can't see why it would have a specific reason to be in robot decks synergy wise now, I see no reason to hold Reka back because of it. It's not like it's really going to help you in a Creator deck.

Wow, what? That wasn't meant as a serious suggestion. That was a "if you kids don't stop fighting I'm going to TURN THIS BALANCE FORUM AROUND" empty threat.

Not that I have the authority to make threats, but whatever.

Sarcasm, joking and inflections that can change the meaning of a message are almost impossible to detect in writing.

Anywho, citing Laser Surgeon reminds me of citing Paladin Lifegiver. Both of them are "target anything" while Reka is and remains "target robot".

My personal thoughts are that making Reka's ability "reset" instead of "heal" hurts decks that would use Exo-suit, SKRAP, Nanomachine, and other machine-based ways of pumping up a monster's life (the Nanomachine is a really weak example as it can boost the life of anything). In contrast, I can see it as a huge benefit for Giant Snowman, Rust Dragon, Armormail, and other monsters that typically get attacked more than once and can live.

Balance Council comments make me foam at the mouth and go blind. I will stand against it where ever it turns it's head, even if it was just a cardboard cut out.

Just a little observation, but given that Reka is only -5/-0 vs. Karn, but with an ability that seems to be worth the 5 attack in the right deck, is Paladin Lifegiver overpowered, given that it is (anecdotally) more useful in such decks?  

The argument seems to be whether she's supposed to be a specialized robot-healer or a beatstick with robot-healing as an option in exchange for a small stat drop.

I don't know about Paladin Lifegiver: creature healers tend to be more effective in cementing field control than (re)gaining it. Unless you're playing Trenches against beatsticks, in which case they can delay pretty big creatures. But Boardroom Avenger does much the same, although I think that one deserves more face-punching than Paladin Lifegiver.

Fixed.

Well, this might be a little radical, but what about " Heal target undizzy robot and dizzy it."?  That lets her heal multiple robots and remain undizzy to do her beatstickery as needed.  I dunno if this might be too abusable with Operational Virus, but it would at least limit how many robots you could have in play to power it.  At the very least, it would further differentiate her from Paladin Lifegiver without destroying her flavor.