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Since my last thread got nowhere with Champagne, I decided it needed its own thread.

Nacho Wrote:

I tried using Champagne in a few decks, including a Ribbon deck, and it's not very good. The combo with Ribbon works much better on paper then in practice. It only works on your turn, meaning the dizzied monsters can't block for your opponent but cant attack or block for you, and 1 damage almost never does anything. Basically, Chibi Cthulhu or Selection Committee are almost always a better choice for your deck. I can't think of any decent suggestions for it, I just know it needs a boost.

The 2 popular suggestions in the last thread were a cost increase to 3/3/3 and making it only effect your opponent's monsters, and turning it into an effect form of I-Karn.

Turning it into an effect form of I-Karn is my vote.

And leave it at 50% damnit.

Noodle Wrote:Turning it into an effect form of I-Karn is my vote.

And leave it at 50% damnit.

completly negate the need for stone maze?

I karn effect seems good

That sounds like it'd be fun to get multiples of it out. Just keep a Kelar Sage handy for the incredibly rare occurance that something stays undizzy or the slightly more reliable method of using an undizzier, and you're untouchable. Hooray for non-uniqueness!

i see where you're going with this masa
and i agree
it should have DLG maintenance

I vote for an I-Karn effect, though it'll probably need a lower percentage chance. I'm highly against adding a maintenance.

I guess I could be for a low percentage with I-karns effect. Also were the heck did this voucher come from its like the only seasonal one I missed ( I just looked and noticed I didn't have it)

Can someone fully write out how the I-karn ability will work? Also it would still be useless if it only dizzyed opponent monsters

I vote for I-Karn ability: 10% or less, effects both players.

bubbleman2 Wrote:

I vote for I-Karn ability: 10% or less, effects both players.

I still vote that this is a stupid idea, but I just like ridiculing people.

That aside,

if there is a percentage drop, 30% is the lowest it should go to.

15-20%, opponent's monsters only. Any more and its non-uniqueness makes it too powerful for stall decks.

webrunner Wrote:okay, can i request that changes to an ability, it's better to make it more interesting then less interesting?

While this was in response to Lord Pony (which he gave the okay to), it also applied here: changing Champagne's (somewhat) unique ability to an I-Karn clone is a no.

It's not a complete I-Karn clone if it effects both player's monsters though, right?

Then I vote for only effecting your opponent's monsters with a cost increase to 3/3/3. Keep it offensive (can only stop blockers, not attackers) rather then make it defensive.

edit: actually I like that alot more then the I-Karn clone. I don't know what I was thinking voting for the IKC.

If it's changed to only effect opponent's monsters theen keep cost at 2/2/2 because it'll still suck even at 2/2/2. We don't want to make it suck more.

Nacho Wrote:Then I vote for only effecting your opponent's monsters with a cost increase to 3/3/3. Keep it offensive (can only stop blockers, not attackers) rather then make it defensive.

edit: actually I like that alot more then the I-Karn clone. I don't know what I was thinking voting for the IKC.

That is an I-Karn clone. I-Karn only effects your opponent's monsters. The other suggested change was more of a Stone Maze clone.

I-Karn stops attacking monsters. This would stop defending ones. The other one suggested was "turning it into an effect form of I-Karn".

Oh, I thought you were referring to the I-Karn ability only effecting your opponent's monsters.

No, I meant the other one, the one I suggested at the end of the last post. Sorry if I wasn't clear.