Pokémon

(11-29-2010 05:02 PM)Haplo_64 Wrote:  Or, you could use the example of the chance to hit, with all the factors included.
I assume that speed has a factor, but without actually knowing the equation involved (obtainable only via "hacking") you wouldn't know the exact equation.

It doesn't (at least not that I know of).

So it's just random that pokemon sometimes dodge moves?

Each move has a certain % chance it will hit, but the game tells you the percents. Accuracy can be lowered by stuff like sand attack and double team, but other than that if your using a move that has 100% accuracy (like Thunderbolt for example) it should hit all the time.

I understand that part, but in-game moves either "miss" or pokemon "dodge" them, which I always assumed was related to some equation using stats. I take it it's just flavour.

I think it depends on the move. I guess some miss and others are dodged. Or maybe it has to do with evasion rates. I've no clue. All I know is that speed and evasion have nothing to do with one another.

I think he's talking about when pokemon A uses blizzard and instead of saying it missed it'll say pokemon B evaded the attack or somesuch
I've always thought that was related to speed but I've no idea tbh

I know what he's talking about and I'm 110% sure it's not related to anyone's speed.

(11-29-2010 05:02 PM)Haplo_64 Wrote:  Or, you could use the example of the chance to hit, with all the factors included.
I assume that speed has a factor, but without actually knowing the equation involved (obtainable only via "hacking") you wouldn't know the exact equation.

This may not make sense/be factually correct.

Hydro pump has an accuracy of 80. This means that, in normal circumstances, it will hit 80% of the time. The speed stat has nothing to do with it. That said, there are two stats that exist in-game that affect accuracy. They are accuracy and evasion. Pokemon do not have accuracy or evasion stats in-game. Instead, moves or held items can raise them by stages. Like how swords dance raises attack two stages, claw sharpen (a new move in gen 5) raises attack one stage and accuracy one stage. Double team raises evasion. Sweet scent lowers evasion and sand attack lowers accuracy (like growl lowering attack and leer lowering defense.)

Like the other stage raising moves, it creates a modifier for that stat. (Eg, normally your stat at +0/-0 is equal to 2/2 * that stat. +1 stage makes it 3/2, 4/2, 5/2, etc. -1 stage makes it 2/3, 2/4, 2/5 etc). Unlike the other stats, evasion has a base or 3/3. +1 evasion means 3/4 multiplier, so any move that had a 100% chance to hit now has a 75% chance to hit. Having +1 accuracy gives 4/3 accuracy, so any move that had a 75% chance to hit now has 100% odds of hitting (since 70% is pretty much the lowest accuracy any player will accept from a move, raising accuracy more than 1 stage is kinda pointless, a major reason accuracy boosting moves aren't favored over moves like swords dance that can be used repeatedly to positive effect). Held items like wide lens and bright powder also affect accuracy, but not by stages. Wide lens provides a 10% boost to accuracy while bright powder gives a 10% boost to evasion. Some abilities, such as sand veil, also boost evasion.

So, in short, you don't need to have hacked or read a guide to know that Starmie's hydro pump will hit 80% of the time. You do need to have read a guide to know that when holding a wide lens it hits 88% of the time.

As for "the attack missed" vs. "pokemon A evaded the attack," that has nothing to do with the accuracy or evasion stats. Instead, it's a move-by-move thing. Some moves like leech seed are "evaded" while moves like stone edge "miss." That's how I've always understood it.

(12-01-2010 03:37 PM)Kennisiou Wrote:  So, in short, you don't need to have hacked or read a guide to know that Starmie's hydro pump will hit 80% of the time.

Evidently you do need to have hacked or read a guide to know that, seeing as people here thought that Speed actually factored into determining accuracy.

(12-01-2010 03:37 PM)Kennisiou Wrote:  You do need to have read a guide to know that when holding a wide lens it hits 88% of the time.

Everyone that read this is now a dirty hacker. You might as well go clone some Overgrow Mews with Sacred Fire x4, it won't be any worse than what you've already done.

I still like pokemon!!!

I'm with Whomper on this one.
I don't particularly care about all these pointless things, I just pick ones that look cool :3

Same here, except with more of a tendency towards cute than cool.

Same here, except with more of a tendency towards strange and original than cute or cool.

Same here, except with more of a tendency towards gyarados

Same here, except with more of a tendency towards whatever the heck I happen to catch.

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